Archive:Community Pages

Personal notes for reworking wiki pages, but open to comments. --Larry Sanger

I'm convinced that the whole set of introductory pages need a complete reworking. Here are some observations, questions, principles, etc.

• The landing page is simply too complicated. Too many links, too many words, will be off-putting to many people. It's all right to have a lot of links, perhaps, but it's not all right not to have a very simple presentation.

• It would be fine to have most of the detailed links on pages prominently linked from the main page, but they have to be quite obvious. They have to be clearly labelled, clearly placed, and most importantly, the whole set of them has to be clearly conceptually organized.

• Some candidate "top topics," i.e., categories of stuff that someone landing on CZ might be interested in: a few good articles; approved articles; entry points; an entertaining summation of "what we're all about"; donation; recent changes; project home; a welcome letter; explanation of how to get started as a contributor (for general public and for editors); policies.

Questions

OK, what are the questions or properties that I need to explore in organizing these various help and policy pages?

• Who are these pages for, and what is their purpose?

The pages are for (1) new people, who need both motivation and simple explanation; (2) regular contributors, who need clear, easy-to-find answers to help and policy questions; and (3) decision-makers, who need clearly-stated rules that they can proceed to interpret.

So the pages have basically two purposes: they motivate people to work; they explain policy at basic and in-depth levels. But policy explanations have at least two purposes: to get instructions for new content, and to make decisions about matters of controversy over existing content. (The latter distinction is similar to the help booklets released by government agencies that simplify the laws "on the books.")

• Should there be a distinction between "help" or "instructions" on the one hand, and policy statements on the other hand? How can this distinction best be drawn both in theory (what is the difference) and in practice (how do we distinguish the pages)?

I'm not at all convinced that there should be a difference. The central problem (for both Wikipedia and CZ) about managing policy and help pages is that people write as if there is a difference--as if the rules were like Statute Law, and the help pages were those little citizen booklets--when there isn't any practical difference. Ultimately, the analogy to statute law is terrible, because "the people" carry out the rules on a wiki. So the rules really should be written clearly and engagingly everywhere, and as such, there is no need for repetition.

So I propose that we have exactly one set of rules and instructions, and that the rules should be written more or less in the form of instructions. If there need to be boring details, the boring details can go in footnotes or on separate pages.

• What are the best ways to achieve that purpose? What are some common tips, "best practices," etc.?
  • Generally, think of the convenience of the contributor first and foremost.
  • Few mouseclicks to the most popular information.
  • Highlight (place higher, using larger font, etc.) the most popular information.
  • A "logical," or "clear," or "common-sensical" sort of organization. Information should be where most people would expect it to be.
  • Be highly modular, but have a kick-ass table of contents and navigation tools. There is certainly some benefit to having "extended narratives," but not enough to put off the people who don't want to read all that in one sitting.
  • Have extremely clear titles, but supplement them with brief but helpful subtitles that are placed/formatted so that they don't get in the way.
  • Have a "start here" page. Don't overwhelm people with data on that page. Let them choose what they want to find out about. Have just one brief introductory narrative, that is focused mostly on motivation, but also provides a few choice links to the most popular info.
  • Consider not using tables of contents. This implies: "too much information!"
  • Use pictures and columns to organize long lists of content.

• Should the pages all be in the CZ: namespace, or should some go in the Help: namespace?

Move everything to the CZ: namespace. We could put technical explanations in the Help: namespace, but there is no clear distinction to be made between "technical" issues and "policy" issues. Just get rid of "Help:" altogether (move it, of course).

• We've said we want to have a minimal rule set. Is this really advisable? Why or why not? How can we describe the "minimum" adequate set of rules?

Given a remark above, this becomes less of a pressing issue. If we focus on making policies readable, and more like clear instructions than rules, then we'll just shunt the boring details off elsewhere. They'll still be there. Generally, you shunt off the ones that are, indeed, boring.

There are many rules that probably aren't necessary at all. They can be pruned. How do we know which ones these are? Basically, if they never come up--if you forgot that there was such a rule. (No one will miss it if I prune it, either, though I'll make a list.)

• What is the overall structure of the pages?

Seems like a hard question.

• Should we have categories or templates for navigation?
• What's the maximum amount of information that should go on a page? What's the "right size" for a page?
• What are some basic requirements of clear exposition of rules and help pages?
• How should the structure be filled out?

List of things to organize

Introductory and getting-started Join us Author registration page About CZ How you can help How to get started as an author Intro to CZ for WPians Help/how to "Help" (the page) How to start a new article (transcluded in the latter) How to edit an article (technical) Article Mechanics (style) How to use talk pages Images help Citation style Section (copied from WP without much change?) Searching Formatting math WP-related How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles Introduction to CZ for Wikipedians We aren't Wikipedia Policy Statement of Fundamental Policies Charter Author policy Author registration policy Author User Pages Editor policy Editor registration policy Categories of Editorship Decisionmaking and Dispute Resolution regarding Articles Article Approval (and see the separate page about this) Editorial Council (see also under Organization) "Editorial Workgroups" Chief Subject Editors Constabulary The Role of Constables The Selection of Constables Policies and Procedures for Constables Application Review Procedure Constabulary Blocking Procedures Article Deletion Policy Checks on Constables Topic Informants Policy on Topic Informants Category:Topic Informant Workgroup Article policy Article Naming and Topic Choice Article Standards (and various subpages) Stubs The Article Discussion Page The Article Checklist Article Deletion Policy Image policy (see "Images help") Behavioral standards Standards of Professionalism Conflict Resolution The Appeals Process Suggestion boxes Editorial Council's Editor-in-Chief's

Organization Project home Personnel Donate Workgroups Communicate Friends of Citizendium Constabulary Home Editorial Council Home Topic Informant Workgroup Recruitment and Admission Recruitment Letter Mailing List Outreach Blog Outreach (delete?) Professional Organization Outreach Initiatives Weekly Wiki New Article of the Week Article of the Week Monthly Write-a-Thon Eduzendium Subpage Pilot Topic Partners The Big Cleanup The Big Speedydelete Article lists Live articles Approved articles Entry points Article of the Week New Article of the Week Random page Feedback Requests Requested Articles Approval Announcements Communication "Communicate" page How to use talk pages Notice Board Blog Forums Mailing lists Citizendium-L Citizendium-Editors Summaries of policy arguments Questions board on forums "Contact" page Tools Recent changes Special pages Checklist Subpages (+ all the pages about types of subpages) Template list (to create!) Miscellaneous Archived pages

New user observation

Hi Larry. Something that struck me as I have been educating myself about CZ these recent days has been the absence of a left menu "Help" link in the basic CZ page template. "Support" was the closest but that was not it. When I have wanted to learn something (either editing tips or policy matters) I have needed to hunt them down. I notice a help section mentioned above but thought it worth mentioning that a 'one-click' "Help" as a single line link at left of every page would really (ahem) help. --Ian Johnson 10:11, 27 July 2007 (CDT)