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==Welcome!==
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== Welcome and thanks ==
 
I'm just spending some time this morning thanking the newer/returned people who did weekend wiki work.  So, thanks, nice to have you here! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 08:17, 19 November 2007 (CST)
 
== Welcome Back! ==
Welcome back! two items:
# can we make you an editor? CZ policy requires three editors approve history articles and the others have vanished on us so we need your help.
# how can we link CZ with the [http://edit.emich.edu EMU History Wiki] ?? have you seen our Eduzendium project? see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Citizendium_Press_Releases/Jan242008
We'd love to have your students write CZ articles. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 16:18, 18 February 2008 (CST)
:My fear is <!--And I've told Larry this-->that I'd be just another absentee editor.  I'm not here enough to be doing an editor's job.  How dire is the situation?  Are you the only historian/editor? [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 20:55, 18 February 2008 (CST)
::in practice, yes...alas. (N=15 nominally) dire.  But the excitement is to get students to work.  I'm retired but next week will be talking to a VPAA about my teaching a historiography course in which the kids write CZ articles. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 23:00, 18 February 2008 (CST)
:::I don't mean to eavesdrop exactly, but Richard, the latter is great news!  I hope you can swing it. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 23:06, 18 February 2008 (CST)
::::Sure, I'll apply.
:::::Hey great! we'll try not to seize your weekends and summer vacations. :) [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 20:31, 19 February 2008 (CST)
::::::Yes, great, nice to have you on board, Russell! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 22:00, 19 February 2008 (CST)
 
{{ewelcome}} --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 21:45, 19 February 2008 (CST)
 
 
== You made my day ==
 
I needed a good chuckle!  [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk:Democrat_Party_%28phrase%29/Draft&diff=next&oldid=100542073 Thanks for that!] Lord knows I've been there and got the T-shirt!  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:Happy to please. :)  BTW, I had sauteed snowpeas with julianned onion and pepper and two varieties of broccoli over pasta.  I feel much better now.  --[[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 01:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Approval nomination for [[Grand Trunk Railway]] ==
 
Russell, I responded at [[Talk:Grand Trunk Railway]] to your request that I look at the subject article. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
==Kamehameha I==
In my opinion, [[Kamehameha I]] is as close to being "complete" as it can be. I think I have covered all major aspects of his life. I am asking you four; Joe Quick (as approvals manager), Roger Lohmann (as a history and politics editor), Russell Jones (as a history editor), and Howard Berkowitz (as a military editor), to look over the article and suggest any changes you think neccessary. Between the five of us, I don't see why we can't get this article improved. Thanks for your time. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 09:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== new editor ==
 
We have a [[User:Carl_Patrick_Burrowes|new editor]] in the history, journalism, and media workgroups. He seems like just the right person to oversee the approval of [[moving panorama]], which was written primarily by another history editor named Russell quite a while ago and seems very good to me.  Since he's brand new, I thought maybe you could offer to be a sort of mentor for his first approval. You could also be a co-approver. I haven't said anything to him yet.  --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 13:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Articles on books... ==
 
I'd like to write an article on a book I recently read, ''The Age of Ra'' by James Lovegrove, and I wanted to take the time to ask a couple people about the mechanics of articles about books.
 
# Are plot summaries ok?
# Are lists of Characters ok, main characters or otherwise?
# Is it ok to take a picture of the front cover to use as a picture for the article?
# Is it ok to include an average retail price?
 
and finally
 
If included, should any of these things be put on a subpage?
 
Thanks Russell - [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 05:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Is there a Technology subgroup?? ==
 
Russell, I noted your mention of a Technology subgroup on Howard's Talk page. Is there such a subgroup? What workgroup(s) is/are it affiliated with? Is there a list somewhere of all the subgroups? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 18:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
I was proposing to Howard a [[CZ:History of Technology Subgroup]].  There is not one to my knowledge, but there should be one.  Interested?  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 18:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Perhaps. I'll think about it. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 19:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Image Transparency Problem ==
 
<div style="border:1px #bbb solid; background-color:yellow; -moz-border-radius:4px; -webkit-border-radius:4px; width:50%; height:280px; "><br>
 
{{Image|Spaceship EarthView.jpg|left|250px|<center>HELP!</center>}}
 
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Here's the problem: there is a bunch of white space around the image.  How do I make the white space go away?  In other words, how do I make the image transparent to the background?
 
Related: how do I make TOC's transparent as well?
 
To see my problem, look at [http://edit.emich.edu/index.php?title=First_Airplane_Flights this page].
 
Thanks, all.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 18:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Its a problem with the thumbnail. If you had used a non thumb image the whitespace wouldn't be there.
<div style="border:1px #bbb solid; background-color:yellow; -moz-border-radius:4px; -webkit-border-radius:4px; width:50%; height:280px; "><br>
 
[[Image:Spaceship EarthView.jpg|left|250px|Example: But where's the caption?]]
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I'm still investigating how to thumbnail it without the whitespace. Be back soon. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 03:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:From our friends at "The Other Place" (personally I hate using that phrase) I found that it is a mediawiki wide problem that mediawiki doesn't seem concerned about. There may be obscure tricks to get rid of it, but I can't find any. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 03:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::But removing the frame or thumb also removes the caption! [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 13:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::I have a simple, though probably not a very desirable solution. See above. I still haven't figured out how to remove the whitespace around a thumb. As I said before, it is a mediawiki problem, and they don't seem very concerned about it. I haven't even found any backdoor's or tricks to do it, which I'm usually pretty good at finding. I'll keep looking though. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 09:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
<div style="border:1px #bbb solid; background-color:yellow; -moz-border-radius:4px; -webkit-border-radius:4px; width:50%; height:280px; "><br>
 
{{box|[[Image:Spaceship EarthView.jpg|left|250px|Example: But where's the caption?]]
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Aha! You can box the whole thing (picture and caption) for the same effect as a thumbnail minus whitespace. Still not as easy as a normal thumbnail, but it works. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
"Related: how do I make TOC's transparent as well?" - Not sure what you mean. If you mean non-existant its pretty simple. If you mean see through I haven't the foggiest, but could probably find out. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 09:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
::::==>Drew, like an image, a TOC is place in a box with a white background that is opaque to the background.  12:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:Thanks, Drew.  I've posted the question at MediaWiki help too, but they weren't as speedy or as helpful as you.  Thanks.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 11:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::Drew, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Images#Frame_transparancy check out this CSS solution]. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 13:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
Okay.  Drew, you put me on a path to a work-around.  Here:
 
<div style="border:1px #bbb solid; background-color:yellow; -moz-border-radius:4px; -webkit-border-radius:4px; width:50%; height:280px; "><br>
<div style="float:left; Margin:1em;"><div style="float:left; width:100px">[[Image:Spaceship EarthView.jpg|100px]]</div><br/><div style="float:left; width:100px"><small>A picture of the Earth and Moon from space.  NASA photograph.</small></div></div>Attempts by humans to travel above Earth's surface had been made for hundreds of years. Evidence of mankind's serious study of flight was discovered in 1898 in an Egyptian tomb in the form of a winged wooden model, dated 200 BC, that reportedly was truly a flyable model, curiously designed without birdlike claws and unlike birds, had a vertical tail.
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I now have to rewrite the image function as a template to see if that will work, e.g., <nowiki>{{Image|Spaceship EarthView.jpg|alignment|size|caption}}</nowiki>
 
And if you are using the Pinkwich5 skin (I don't which is why I put the yellow background around the above examples) here it is again:
 
----
<div style="float:left; Margin:1em;"><div style="float:left; width:100px">[[Image:Spaceship EarthView.jpg|100px]]</div><br/><div style="float:left; width:100px"><small>A picture of the Earth and Moon from space.  NASA photograph.</small></div></div>Attempts by humans to travel above Earth's surface had been made for hundreds of years. Evidence of mankind's serious study of flight was discovered in 1898 in an Egyptian tomb in the form of a winged wooden model, dated 200 BC, that reportedly was truly a flyable model, curiously designed without birdlike claws and unlike birds, had a vertical tail. <br><br><br><br><br>
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I'm not sure how this looks on your browser, but on Opera and Google chrome it's simply horrendous. Still, if it works for your other-wiki needs, go right ahead.
 
Well maybe in Opera.  This page looks pretty much the same in Chrome.  The first flights page, I had to scale up the page until the images looked right.  I have to scale up everything on the web anyway because you young people make everything so small here in cyberspace.  But I see what you meant.  I also found out that Chrome won't load my site's changes to the monobook skin, so I'm stuck with the crappy WP presentation through chrome.  And on pages that have a lot of images, they tend to pile up across the screen and push text around.  No, it's not the perfect solution, but it's better than these white holes in the page.  But, if I can't get my changes to monobook to take, this is all pointless.
 
Here's what it looks like in Opera [[Image:Opera problems.jpg|250px|right]] and Chrome [[Image:Chrome problems.jpg|250px|right]]
 
Admittedly, Chrome at least has the text under the pic, but wouldn't it be better with a frame? The text below the pic without a frame makes them seem almost, ''almost'', unconnected. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 04:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I know.  I'd like a frame too.  But my job queue length right now is enormous.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]]
 
==Pinkwich5 Skin==
For anyone who is in the know: How does the Pinkwich5 skin get the gradient backgrounds?  I can get the Gray-to-white background to work fine in the outside (header and menu) space.  But my gradient for the white-to-gray background in the text space stops halfway down a page.  [http://edit.emich.edu/index.php?title=First_Airplane_Flights See this example.]  Any advice?  Thanks.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 15:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Hmmmm. Where do I get the Pinkwich skin?  I guess if I had that, some of my problems would be solved.
 
::Go to "my preferences" at the top of your pages, click on "Skin" and make your selection. '''Be sure to read the Note at the bottom of the list of skins.'''
 
::Personally, I use IE6 as my browser and the Monobook skin and there is no visible white space around any photos or other images. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 15:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Yes, that's because the both the whitespace and the monobook text space are both white.  But in the Pinkwich skin, the text space is not white; it is a gradient.
 
Um, that wasn't my question.  Where to I acquire the pinkwich skin so that I can install it on my own mediawiki site?  That's my question (I think).  A google search gives me a lot of discussion about it but no purveyor.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 15:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:The example you showed occurs when there's a problem in the .css file for the skin. I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly what the problem is without looking at the file (and maybe not even then), but I would guess that the gradient is set to go to a certain number of pixels, instead of a certain percent of the page. I've looked at other pages, and on the shorter ones the problem doesn't occur, or if it does, it's much closer to the bottom. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 04:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::One other thing. I've recenty learned how to do some digital image restoration, so if you (or anyone else) wants an image "tuned-up" give me a shout. I took the liberty of doing a small restoration of the flying machine blueprints, but I could do a much better job with a svg png or tiff image. The most noticable difference is the rotation of the pic isn't off anymore. I also did a little patching up around the edges, where the rotation distorted some of the color. Take a look and tell me what you think. [[Image:Flying Machine.png|right]] [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 05:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Okay, I found a better source image for the file and did a minor restoration on that one. [[Image:Flying Machine2.jpg|right]][[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 06:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Charter drafting candidacy ==
 
Hi Russell,
 
Thanks for accepting your nomination to be a candidate for election to the drafting committee for the Citizendium charter.
 
If you'd like, there is a provision in the plan that provides a place for you to compose a position statement.  You are not required to do this in order to be a candidate for election to the committee, but it would be helpful to others during the voting period.  Even if you don't compose a statement before the election period concludes, should you be elected it might be helpful for other members of the committee to know what you feel are the most important issues to address with the draft.  You can find a red link to the page where you can write your statement [[CZ:Charter_drafting_committee/Position_statements|here]], along with instructions for doing so.
 
If you have any questions, just let me know. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 15:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 
==Article approvals sought==
Hi - I have done as much as I can with two articles, [[Scarborough Castle]] and [[Great Siege of Scarborough Castle]] (specifically the versions [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Scarborough_Castle&oldid=100580840 here] and [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Great_Siege_of_Scarborough_Castle&oldid=100580829 here]), and am looking to move these articles into 'approved' status. I made sure to use only authoritative sources (published books, English Heritage castle literature, things like that). Can you have a look and see if you feel that there is anything preventing them being approved? Thanks. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 06:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== another article to consider for approval ==
First, thanks for getting [[Scarborough Castle]] headed for approval.  I announced the nomination on the History Workgroup mailing list with the hope that it will draw a little attention.  I don't know how many people are actually signed up for that list, but it has to reach at least someone.
 
One goal of mine as Approvals Manager is to get at least one article in every workgroup approved, but there are several workgroups that don't have any approved articles yet.  Linguistics is one of those.  I think our best shot is [[Noah Webster]], since it's also listed in History.  It was originally a Wikipedia import, so it might need a little work, but I think we could find someone to give it a little attention if necessary.  What do you think? --Joe ([[User:Approvals Manager|Approvals Manager]]) 04:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:I've gone over it, cleaned it up a bit, but there are problems.  See [[Talk:Noah Webster]].  But I have a larger prejudice in that I'm very reluctant to approve something that has been written someplace else. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 00:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 
== "Britain, history"- dispute  over title ==
 
I should appreciate your intervention to resolve the dispute that has developed concerning the title of the article on [[Britain, history]]. I fear that  the recent alteration will strike readers as absurd. [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 22:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 
Thank you [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 22:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 
I hope that it meets with your approval.  You've put a lot of effort into the article over the past years or so. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 23:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 
:I am afraid that it hadn't occurred to me that "Britain" can be taken to exclude Northern Ireland.  My fellow - English contacts do not interpret it  that way in  colloquial conversation, but it seems that Ulstermen do - and, on reflection, I have to admit that strictly speaking they are right.  (I believe that the derivation of "Britain" goes back to the Romans - who did not invade Ireland). Anyway, I am sure that you have made the right choice, and I should welcome any other criticisms of the article that you have time to make.[[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 11:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== Wot?  Wat! ==
 
Sending a quick ‘hello’ out to all of you who wanted a weekend write-a-thon.  Also, a nudge, push, and a shove to all those who haven’t made it out in a while.  This Sunday, 10th January, is your [[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon|Big Chance]].  Party theme is ‘stubs’.  Now, what could be easier?  Write about anything you want!  (At least come on over and say ‘hi’—we’ve all been much too quiet lately and I rather miss everybody.) [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 21:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== Is school out for the summer? ==
 
Good to see your name poppin up! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
Thanks.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]]
 
== Labor and other subgroups ==
 
There are enough things related to organized labor, as well as the overall working environment, that a Labor Subgroup might be useful. Is "Labor Subgroup" an adequate name?  Are working conditions too far afield?
 
You may have noticed I've been putting up more subgroups, such as [[CZ: International relations Subgroup]]. While I'm feeling my way, I think they will be a nice complement to workgroup cores. Some, however, are difficult to characterize: terrorism? revolutionary warfare? counterterrorism? (not all terror is international).  Intelligence??
 
The capitalization wasn't immediately obvious, but since a fair bit of software introduces capitalized Subgroup, I think I'm going to have to change some things to all initial cap. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== [[Battleship]], [[Cruiser]] and [[Destroyer]] ==
 
You've commented on [[battleship]] in the past; the others are at similar stages. Since there are no other active Military editors, and battleship especially has a historical and history of technology role, would you consider looking at these for comment and, when ready, Approval nomination?
 
There are complementary articles, less well developed, on [[fast attack craft]], [[ocean escort]], [[aircraft carrier]] and [[submarine]]. --[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 
==[[Great Siege of Scarborough Castle]]==
Hi, Russell. I am calling it editor help about this article - there there is some discussion of whether and how to approve it [[Talk:Great Siege of Scarborough Castle#Approval|here]]. Can you find any problems or reasons not to proceed? Thanks. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 09:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
==Battle of Britain==
(writing here as I'm getting system error messages on my talk page)
 
To the best of my recollection, I wrote it from scratch after an...exchange of views...with Jensen. Actually, I first wrote a BoB section in [[radar]], and also may have written [[integrated air defense system]] and [[suppression of enemy air defense]].
 
These days, I consciously don't even look at the WP article when I start an article; I may not have kept such a "firewall" then.
 
It would be nice to move toward Approval, and perhaps even some of the Related Articles, both the technical and historical. I do see some new error messages that might be due to the software changes. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 22:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 
== Cypherpunk ==
 
You say you are interested in "the ideological and intellectual history of technology". Could you have a look at [[cypherpunk]]? I do not think it is currently in the history workgroup. Perhaps it should be? [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 02:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:I read it through, and I am not familiar with the movement at all.  I don't think it should be in the history group as this is a current phenomenon.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]]
 
==Approvals==
I.
I'm starting the Approval process for the revision of [[Richard Hofstadter]], and made a bunch of minor editorial revisions. Please read and let me know if you have any problems with them. I tried not to change any content, just concentrate on syntax, except that i made substantial changes to the handling of the first and last sentences. Let me know if you have a problem with this (or better yet, change them back if I've messed up the meaning). I'm waiting to hear from Constable Matt about the procedure, and then, as noted, Howard will join me in recommending it.
 
II.
I will get [[Edwin E. Witte]] started toward Approval also. Would you care to see if you might approve [[Arthur J. Altmeyer]]?
 
We might also ask Howard if he would care to join either or both?
[[User:Roger Lohmann|Roger Lohmann]] 18:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 
===Update===
I just heard from Matt. He interprets my contributions as authorial as well, but recommends a three-editor solution, in which you and I and Howard all join in the Approval this time. Since the article was originated by Richard Jensen, that makes sense to me. I think I will post the permalink to the current version and a note on the Talk Page indicating I recommend it for approval. If you and Howard can add your assent on the Talk Page, we should be home free. (Or, if you have any problems with the latest version, we can revise, update the link and then indicate approval.
[[User:Roger Lohmann|Roger Lohmann]] 19:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 
== Charter ==
 
[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:D._Matt_Innis/CurrentDraft#Simple_Majority_Vote_to_change_text Please see this]

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