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| | Milt was a great contributor to our project who invested a lot of his own knowledge and time in it; Citizendium is much poorer without him. He was highly trusted and respected, previously serving as the project's Treasurer and on the elected Management and Editorial Councils. However, we were a small part of a long life: Milt completed his degree in 1944, but his graduation was delayed while he saw action in Europe during the Second World War. Decades of experience in both chemical and environmental engineering followed, and he would become a well-published authority on various aspects of these fields, as recognized by his Fellowship of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers. His daughter also tells me he liked to apply his engineering approach to everyday life by collecting recipes and carefully replicating dishes he'd enjoyed. Milt stood firm against pseudoscience and other nonsense, as we at Citizendium can attest, and was a strong proponent of the science and the facts. I am sure I speak for those who knew him here when I say that we will miss him. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 12:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
| | :RIP Milt. He was a nice gent. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] ([[User talk:Ro Thorpe|talk]]) 14:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
| | :RIP Milt. [[User:JeromeDelacroix|Jérôme Delacroix]] ([[User talk:JeromeDelacroix|talk]]) 18:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC+1) |
| | :RIP Milt. You embodied the true spirit of Citizendium at its best.[[User:Roger A. Lohmann|Roger A. Lohmann]] ([[User talk:Roger A. Lohmann|talk]]) 04:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC) |
| | :RIP MIlt. As a collaborator and colleague, he will be missed. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] ([[User talk:Russell D. Jones|talk]]) 16:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| Hi Milt, I have been fiddling around with the formatting of the [[CZ:Article of the Week|Article of the Week]] and [[CZ:New Draft of the Week|New Draft of the Week]] and would be thankful if you would play the [[guinea pig]] (in terms of testing the documentation) by changing the formatting for the New Drafts. I will also ask Howard and Sandy, so please do one article at a time. Thanks! --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 05:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
| | Milt had an abundance of wisdom, passion and knowledge. He was with Citizendium from the early days, and embraced fully the spirit and idealism with which Citizendium was launched. He made an enormous contribution to the project. [[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] ([[User talk:Gareth Leng|talk]]) 21:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| :As you know by now, I really like what you have done to the AOTW formatting. I can see that you have not yet completely done the same thing for the NDOTW. I would be pleased to help by being a guinea pig but I don't understand what you want me to do. Please spell out in detail what you want me to do ... and I will try it. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
| | I have missed Milt ever since he needed to leave the project, and I will always remember him fondly.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 01:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| ::Hmm, in principle, it means having a closer look at the documentation of {{tl|Candidate}} and following the steps indicated there, perhaps occasionally peeping into the examples given, searching for occurences of ""onlyinclude" and "includeonly" (in pairs, the first without, the second with leading "/"). It also means surrounding "{{tl|subpages}}" by such a pair of "noinclude" (without and with "/"). Finally, replacing "rpl" in the nomination table by "Candidate" should do the trick. If you have specific problems, please ask again or send me a screenshot. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 05:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
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| :::My edits to [[air preheater]] were meant as practice, but for you rather than me. [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Air_preheater&diff=100507309&oldid=100492253 With a little help from Caesar], you now have another sample to look at. Please try to apply a similar treatment to the other NDotW candidates. Thanks! --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 14:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
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| == minor revision to the Approval process - just the plain name of the Editors should be used ==
| | Let us temper our sadness in the passing of our esteemed colleague with a celebration of his achievements in his field of endeavor. Google Scholar has tabulated 111 articles he published between 1951 and 2005, with links to them and to all the articles that cited them. |
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| Hi, Milt, according to Matt Innis, on the Metadata template page, where the ToA editors are listed, their names should be shown (written) as plain Milton Byechok, NOT as [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]]. I *know* that many Editors have been doing it this way, and I have Approved articles in which this info appeared like that. But, apparently, this is both wrong *and* may cause some subtle problems in the final version of an Approved article. If you've got any questions about this, though, please address them to Matt, not me -- I don't have a *klew* as to the rights and wrongs of the issue. Thanks. I bring it up only because I'll be Approved the ket. article in a little while. I'll make the appropriate change in that particular article.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 20:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
| | See: [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=kBHMSC4AAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra MR Beychok] |
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| :No, problem. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
| | [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] ([[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|talk]]) 22:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
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| == Congrats, Keto article now approved! ==
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| I think I did it right this time, Milt.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 22:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
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| :In 15 minutes, not bad! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 00:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Twenty-three -- I wrote long Summary box notes for Ruth, and made minor notes on my working Instructions. Otherwise it would have been 15. Am now gonna make a couple of minor revisions on the Instructions at the Kops page and links.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 00:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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| == Boo-boo ==
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| Milt, that [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Henry%27s_law%2FDraft&diff=100511152&oldid=100499486 boo-boo] looks like one of those things you don't want in your approved article. Since you wrote the article and David Volk approved it, if you want me to change it I will, so long as we leave a message on David and Joe's talk pages. If there is a problem, they can let me know and I will change it back. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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| :I agree. It would be well to fix that boo-boo in the approved article. That way, it doesn't have to wait for a Re-approval. So have at it (including alerting David and Joe). [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC) | |
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| ::Done. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Sounds good to me. :-) --Joe(16:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)) [[User:Approvals Manager|Approvals Manager]]
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| == Chemical elements ==
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| Hi Milton, addressing you as a chemistry editor I like to know what you think about [[Elements]]. Or, more specifically, about the definition: "an element is a substance with unique physical and chemical properties".
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| When I think of a substance I think of a crystal, or a liquid or gas consisting of molecules. Take the simplest element, hydrogen. It exists as a gas of molecules, a (cold) liquid consisting of molecules, different kinds of crystals also consisting of molecules, and probably (although never found yet) a metallic lattice of H-atoms. And as you know, hydrogen chemisorbed on the surface of a transition metal catalyst (like nickel) exists in atomic form. Now which of these substances is the element hydrogen?
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| Let me make the analogy with the alphabet: there are 26 letters, but a letter is not a word or a sentence. There are ca. 100 elements, but an element is not a molecule or a solid. Some words consist of one letter, some molecules consist of one atom (noble gases). In my view the definition "a letter is a word with a unique meaning" corresponds to "an element is a substance with a unique property". I find both definitions wrong. What is your opinion? --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 05:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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| :Paul, before I can respond meaningfully, what definition would you propose as an alternative? Than I will try to respond tomorrow, because I'm on way to bed right now. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Hope you had a good night sleep when you read this. I wrote an earlier version of the article and in the meantime I didn't change my mind. If you go back in the history of [[Elements]] you see what I had to say about it. In short: atomic species of which there are 94 naturally occurring and about 20 man made (the latter are short-lived, don't form molecules, and are observed only as signals on a measuring device, would you call them substances?). Maybe the analogy with letters in the alphabet would be helpful? (I thought of it just today).--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 07:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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| ::PS I gave it some more thought: Crucial, of course, is the meaning of "substance". Would one call diamond and graphite the same "substance"? If not, how does one define the element carbon? Would one call an artificial nucleus that lives 1 microsecond (as those with Z > 100) a "substance"?--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 13:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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| (unindent) Paul, my first suggestion is that the article be re-named "Chemical elements" and that would avoid the need for a disambiguation page which would eventually arise.
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| Since you and Anthony Sebastian are the two most recent contributors to the [[Elements]] article, and I liked many aspects of both versions of the introduction, I decided to try and write an introduction that sort of merges what the two of you wrote. I also tried to use simpler wording and to avoid being too pedantic (I hope). My suggested wording is in green font:
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| :<font color=green>In [[chemistry]], '''elements''' are types (or species) of [[atom]]. All solids, liquids and gases are composed of atoms, either of one species or a combination of species.
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| :There are 94 different elements (or atomic species) that occur naturally on Earth and each element has its own unique physical and chemical properties. Some elements are very abundant. For example, [[water]] is composed of the elements [[hydrogen]] and [[oxygen]] and water is very abundant on Earth. As another example, the element [[carbon]] is an important part of all animal and plant life on Earth as well all of the [[fossil fuel]]s ([[natural gas]], [[petroleum]] and [[coal]]) which are the remains of plant material that once lived.
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| :Some of the 94 elements are very rare on Earth such as the gas [[neon]]. Some elements are stable and live for very long times while some, known as the ''[[radioactive]] elements'', have finite life times and decay into other elements while emitting [[radiation]]. For example, [[plutonium]] is a well-known radioactive element.
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| :In addition to the 94 elements that occur naturally on [[Earth]], about 23 other known elements that do not occur naturally on Earth have been man-made and are characterized by having very short life times and being radioactive.</font>
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| [I believe there are 118 known elements but I thought one of them has not yet been synthesized. Thus, 117 - 94 = 23 man-made]
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| I suggest that the next paragraph should begin with these words:
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| :<font color=green>Each of the elements is distinguished by its unique integral number Z, known as the [[atomic number]]. The number Z is</font> .... (without using the expression "we recall")
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| I also suggest that atomic isotopes and allotropes also be discussed somewhere in the article.
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| Also, regarding the quote from Aristotle at the top of the article (what Anthony called an epigraph), it is a bit too "artsy" for my taste and I would prefer to remove it ... but that is just my personal opinion.
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| I would like to say that all of my comments above are simply my comments as a fellow author. They are '''not''' to be taken as decisions made as part of my role as a Chemistry Editor.
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| Finally, Paul, I suggest that you move all of the exchange of comments by you and I (here on my talk page) to the discussion page of the article. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
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Milt was a great contributor to our project who invested a lot of his own knowledge and time in it; Citizendium is much poorer without him. He was highly trusted and respected, previously serving as the project's Treasurer and on the elected Management and Editorial Councils. However, we were a small part of a long life: Milt completed his degree in 1944, but his graduation was delayed while he saw action in Europe during the Second World War. Decades of experience in both chemical and environmental engineering followed, and he would become a well-published authority on various aspects of these fields, as recognized by his Fellowship of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers. His daughter also tells me he liked to apply his engineering approach to everyday life by collecting recipes and carefully replicating dishes he'd enjoyed. Milt stood firm against pseudoscience and other nonsense, as we at Citizendium can attest, and was a strong proponent of the science and the facts. I am sure I speak for those who knew him here when I say that we will miss him. John Stephenson (talk) 12:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- RIP Milt. He was a nice gent. Ro Thorpe (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- RIP Milt. Jérôme Delacroix (talk) 18:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC+1)
- RIP Milt. You embodied the true spirit of Citizendium at its best.Roger A. Lohmann (talk) 04:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- RIP MIlt. As a collaborator and colleague, he will be missed. Russell D. Jones (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Milt had an abundance of wisdom, passion and knowledge. He was with Citizendium from the early days, and embraced fully the spirit and idealism with which Citizendium was launched. He made an enormous contribution to the project. Gareth Leng (talk) 21:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I have missed Milt ever since he needed to leave the project, and I will always remember him fondly.Pat Palmer (talk) 01:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Milt's productivity as chemical engineer
Let us temper our sadness in the passing of our esteemed colleague with a celebration of his achievements in his field of endeavor. Google Scholar has tabulated 111 articles he published between 1951 and 2005, with links to them and to all the articles that cited them.
See: MR Beychok
Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 22:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Where Milt lives it is approximately: 04:14