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| | Milt was a great contributor to our project who invested a lot of his own knowledge and time in it; Citizendium is much poorer without him. He was highly trusted and respected, previously serving as the project's Treasurer and on the elected Management and Editorial Councils. However, we were a small part of a long life: Milt completed his degree in 1944, but his graduation was delayed while he saw action in Europe during the Second World War. Decades of experience in both chemical and environmental engineering followed, and he would become a well-published authority on various aspects of these fields, as recognized by his Fellowship of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers. His daughter also tells me he liked to apply his engineering approach to everyday life by collecting recipes and carefully replicating dishes he'd enjoyed. Milt stood firm against pseudoscience and other nonsense, as we at Citizendium can attest, and was a strong proponent of the science and the facts. I am sure I speak for those who knew him here when I say that we will miss him. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 12:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
| | :RIP Milt. He was a nice gent. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] ([[User talk:Ro Thorpe|talk]]) 14:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
| | :RIP Milt. [[User:JeromeDelacroix|Jérôme Delacroix]] ([[User talk:JeromeDelacroix|talk]]) 18:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC+1) |
| | :RIP Milt. You embodied the true spirit of Citizendium at its best.[[User:Roger A. Lohmann|Roger A. Lohmann]] ([[User talk:Roger A. Lohmann|talk]]) 04:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC) |
| | :RIP MIlt. As a collaborator and colleague, he will be missed. [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] ([[User talk:Russell D. Jones|talk]]) 16:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| | Milt had an abundance of wisdom, passion and knowledge. He was with Citizendium from the early days, and embraced fully the spirit and idealism with which Citizendium was launched. He made an enormous contribution to the project. [[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] ([[User talk:Gareth Leng|talk]]) 21:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC) |
| That's why this page is empty at the moment. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 20:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
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| == Thanks!==
| | I have missed Milt ever since he needed to leave the project, and I will always remember him fondly.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 01:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
| I moved the exlinks to the exlink page and corrected the bad link. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure if I did the exlinks right so please check. I used the * to do the line breaks. Is that what you do here? | |
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| Thanks! [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 05:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)Mary Ash
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| :Mary, you used the * correctly on the Related Links subpage ... but I had to correct the format of the hyperlinks to online websites. One does '''not''' simply write [url]. Instead, the url is followed by single space and then a title for that website item. For example, '''<nowiki>[http://adage.com/century/icon04.html]</nowiki>''' was corrected to this '''<nowiki>[http://adage.com/century/icon04.html Betty Crocker]</nowiki>''' which then displays simply as [http://adage.com/century/icon04.html Betty Crocker].
| | Let us temper our sadness in the passing of our esteemed colleague with a celebration of his achievements in his field of endeavor. Google Scholar has tabulated 111 articles he published between 1951 and 2005, with links to them and to all the articles that cited them. |
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| :Also, once again, you do not need to sign your name after the four tildes because the tildes sign your name for you and the result is that your name appears twice in your signature (just look at your above signature). Please remember, all you do is sign with four tildes.[[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 06:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC) | | See: [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=kBHMSC4AAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra MR Beychok] |
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| ::Thanks for letting me know about the tildes. I will refrain from signing. I am used to do doing it that way so it will take a bit of rethinking. :-) I also followed your lead on the exlinks if you check the newest addition. Thanks for your help.
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| ::[[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 14:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
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| This what I posted on my talk page. Lighten up fellas. The name I submitted sure looked like a REAL name to me and let it go at that. It is a lovely photo that I used on my wikiHow account and decided to move over here. The photo came from Flickr and I liked it. Do YOU make time to share anything positive here, or are are you all sitting around waiting to "pounce" on the newbies? I did add the hyperlink showing where the image was found so anyone could search it out. Finally, I did some research and indeed this is a dying wiki. I wonder why... Mary Ash 16:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == Thanks for Serving ==
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| Thanks for serving our country in her time of need. Hubby was in similar circumstances except it was Vietnam. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 23:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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| Thank you very much for approving my application, and for the suggestion to expand my bio. I am currently working on this as my first editorial duty :). Thank you again, and I look forward to many happy hours working on this great compendium! [[User:Rachael Cantrell|Rachael Cantrell]] 18:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == Photo Attribution ==
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| This morning, after feeling so much better, I realized why I was doing this. Any work done for hire and any work paid for by the US Government, or by an employee of the US Government, is considered work for hire or public domain. See: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf Attribution automatically goes to the agency that paid for the work and since we all paid for the federal government photo it's considered public domain. That means the Mack article and the Osprey article were correctly attributed by me. It would be best to change the current attributions to the Harvard Press Office and US Government for those photos as they are now incorrect. It is nice to credit the photographer, if known, but the correct and presumably legal attribution goes to the agencies involved. I fulfilled my ethical and professional responsibility by notifying Citizendium of their error. [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 15:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :If you will look at the photo of Mack that you uploaded, the photo itself has attribution to Harvard Press at the bottom (in very small print). As for the the V-22 Osprey photo you uploaded, the current credit line (which I added as required by CZ) has both the U.S. Navy (which is the government agency) and their photographer's name (who took the photo). So all is well. Thanks for your comment and concern. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 17:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::If you check the file history for the Osprey the attribution is incorrect. Credit goes to the U.S. Government not the author as it is public domain and work for hire photo. See: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Image%3AOsprey.png&diff=100693841&oldid=100693698 [[User:Mary Ash|Mary Ash]] 18:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::: Wrong. James Darcy is in fact the author of the work and legally entitled to attribution. If you check the copyright line ([[Template:Osprey.png/credit]]) you will see that both are credited. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 18:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == [[Petroleum naphtha]] ==
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| It's Approved! Thanks for the reminder ;) [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 18:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == How to archive talk pages ==
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| Looks terrific, Milt! A lot of tedious work. I've always done it by trial and error and simply copying previous ones. I'll try to find your new instructions the next time I do one! Thanks! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 19:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == Secure confident people encourage not discourage ==
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| == [[:Image:Russian Blue kitten.jpg]] ==
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| Hi Milt. You requested that [[:Image:Russian Blue kitten.jpg]] be deleted. Flor de Azur is the name of the Company that produced the photos [http://www.flordeazur.com/RussianBlue_Main.html] and holds the copyright. We have plenty of other photos with an 'unknown' author, and as long as the copyright holder is given we always seem to be okay with this. Are you sure it should be deleted? --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 09:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :Chris, before I requested speedy deletion, I spent about 30 minutes surfing that company's website (including their photo gallery) and could not find that specific photo of a kitten ... so it is hard for me to convince myself that the company is truly the copyright owner of that particular photo.
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| :Meanwhile, I emailed Franziska Gabriela Waldmann, presumably the copyright owner of the original photo (Russian_Blue_001.gif) to confirm that she is the copyright owner and that she agrees to our using the photo and crediting her as the copyright owner. If she agrees, then I was going to re-instate that photo for use with the [[Russian Blue]] article. (P.S.: I asked Mary to send the email on the article's talk page and she did not respond. Instead, she uploaded the photo of the kitten.)
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| :As for the photo of the kitten, I suggest that you email Flor de Azur and confirm that they are indeed the copyright owners. When I send such emails (and I have done so with many photos that I uploaded), I insert a copy of the photo in my email. If they confirm that the photo is theirs, then I would have no objections to letting it remain uploaded. If they do not confirm or state that they don't want us to use it, then I would like to see it deleted as I requested.
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| :Chris, I have uploaded about 270 images and the above procedure is that which I have imposed upon myself before I upload pictures from Wikimedia Commons. Whenever a company has not responded to my requests for permission or has responded negatively, I did not upload the image. If you like, I could send you a copy of my "form letter" that I use.
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| :See [[CZ:Introduction to CZ for Wikipedians#Images]] and also [[CZ:Media Assets Workgroup/Example permission request letters]]. These are what guided me when I first joined CZ. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 11:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :: No problem, I am happy to go with your judgement on this. I have deleted the photo and left a note on Mary's talk page asking her to obtain permission before re-uploading it. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 18:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == Help:Index/Map ==
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| I think it would be best to direct people to [[Help:Index]] rather than [[Help:Index/Map]]. The former has been developed to be easy to use, especially for new starters, and the latter is linked to from the main [[Help:Index]] page. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 20:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :Thanks, Chris. To be candid, I believe that [[Help:index/Map]] provides a better overall view of all the help articles than does [[Help:Index]]. I assume you were referring to my welcome message for Nicole Willson. In the future, I will try to remember to point newcomers to both. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :: As I said in the forum, I also prefer the index map -- there it is much easier to search for the topic needed. But others may think differently. We shall see what becomes more popular. And we certainly can have both. --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 23:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == [[Explosives]] article ==
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| Milt, would you take a preliminary look at [[explosives]] and think about what it might need to move to Approval? Certainly, there are some [[chemical engineering]] aspects, although specialized ones. Still, this article is about the explosives themselves, and to some extent their detonation systems, not about weapons, commercial blasting, etc.
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| Do note that the Related Articles section is extensive and has many lemma articles.
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| Let me know if I could help find reviewers in any areas. Would it be useful to expand the operations in the well-known process of [[nitroglycerine]] manufacturing, as an example? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 19:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :Yes, I will see if I can help with [[Explosives]] but it may be 1 or 2 days from now, if that is okay. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 20:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks. What application did you use to clean up the thermobaric diagram? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :::When I used the "camera" tool in Gallegos's pdf, I got the same dark background that you did and could not change it to a white background. However, when I used the "copy" tool, I got a white background. Then I moved it into the Microsoft Paint program (comes with Windows) and cleaned it up in that program. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 16:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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| I just made some more, final, minor copy edits to [[explosives]] should you care to update the version for approval again. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 18:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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| : The little chemistry in the article is fine, but I don't really know any of the military jargon to approve the article. So, I am leaning against co-nomination unless you really need me to. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 18:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == User:Deepak Mahaan ==
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| Hi Milt, I deleted the moved account for Deepak from DEEPAK and renamed him instead. This allows for his contributions to show up under Deepak Mahaan and his user name to show up as Deepak Mahaan instead of DEEPAK MAHAAN. I was able to reconstruct his user credentials, but was unsure what workgroups you granted editorships. Could you take a look and add the categories (or let me know which ones they are and I will do it for you. Thanks in advance! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 20:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Re smog==
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| Milton, per your request, I started a look-see of your excellent draft of [[smog]] at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Milton_Beychok/Sandbox. I couldn't get far as it's late for me here in San Francisco. I will try to get back to it in a few days. You have done a nice job with the topic, and hard work shows through. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 03:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :Thanks, Anthony. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 03:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == Renaming account ==
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| Hi Milt, thanks for fixing [[User:Deepak Mahaan]]. There are a few problems with moving an account instead of renaming. First, the user has to sign in using the DEEPAK MAHAAN user name instead of Deepak Mahaan. This also means that every time he uses the <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, it will sign his name DEEPAK MAHAAN. Also, contributions will show up only under the DEEPAK MAHAAN account. I am not sure, but I think the email feature also will only work when you go to the DEEPAK MAHAAN user page. So if someone were to go to his user page to email him, it won't work (I don't think). [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 02:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| :Thanks for explaining. Not being a Constable and not having sysop rights, once an applicant is confirmed, then I can no longer see what categories the applicant was confirmed for. In this case, I still had my written notes about Deepak, crumpled and in my wastebasket ... so all was okay in this instance.
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| :Also, when I place an applicant on Hold and ask him/her to furnish further information, and he/she complies by emailing back to the Constabulary ... I do not get to see what he/she sends back. In other words, as an Editorial Personnel Administrator, I am not really privy to seeing enough information to make my job easier. It would sure help if, every time I place an applicant on hold, either you or Chris were to email me a copy of whatever further information that applicant supplies ... if he/she replies at all. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Can you see [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:UserCredentials this page?] If you are not blocked, put the user's name in and it should show you the application.
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| ::All the responses to your emails to editors that show up on the constable wiki that I saw, I forwarded to you. I think it has pnly been two or three. I also saw some that Hayford responded to and asked that they contact you. I will continue to forward them to you.
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| ::You should be the one that gets those emails. Hopefully, we'll fix that. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 03:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::: Milt won't be able to see [[Special:UserCredentials]]... even I can't. It's Bureaucrats only. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 04:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Chris, you're right, I cannot see it. Matt, I only received one response to the constabulary from Hayford and I have not received any from you. In any event, it would help me if you or Chris forward to me any responses that I need to see. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 06:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::: Milt, I have not seen any at all. I looked back into the history and I haven't seen any going back several months. If any do arrive, we shall definitely forward them to you. The problem is simply that nobody is replying. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 15:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::: I found one. I've forwarded the copy of the email to your cox.net email address that I forwarded to you previously. Let me know if you don't get it. Other than that, the only ones I've seen were responded to by Hayford. There were very few. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 20:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::Hi, Matt: That's the one I received ... only I thought Hayford sent it to me. Anyhow, that person was confirmed about 2-3 weeks ago or so. Thanks, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 21:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == [[Explosives]] ==
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| [[Explosives]] has been approved! Congratulations on a job well done. --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 16:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
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| == Question about natural gas ==
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| It occurs you'd know the answer to a question to a discussion that came up around the house. At what point is an odorant mixed with crude or refined natural gas? This came up in the context of the recent California fire, where my housemate thought a leaking pipeline would always be smelled. He assumes the odorants are added at the well.
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| I wondered if this was the case, since the raw gas might be reprocessed and the odorant would have to be removed; I assumed it was at the point of the refinery putting commercial natural gas into the distribution system. Perhaps the answer would be useful in an article.
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| Remember, I'm from New Jersey. We might just think butyl mercaptan is a new natural fragrance. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 23:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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| :Odorants are '''not''' added to raw natural gas. They are added to the gas after it had been extensively processed (see [[Natural gas processing]] for description of that processing). The U.S. Dept. of Transportation and also many state pipeline regulations require odorants to be used in the transmission and distribution pipelines transporting natural gas. In any event, odorants are subject to what is called ''odorant fade''. A leak from an underground gas pipeline would be subject to ''odorant fade'' as it seeped up through the soil.
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| :Odorants are added in very small amounts (in the range of 2-5 ppm by volume). Although fairly easily detected if a leak occurs indoors, an outdoors underground leak of odorized gas might very well be undetectible due to ''odorant fade'' and/or dispersion due to wind and roadway traffic.
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| :You might be enlightened by reading [http://www.sdge.com/documents/safety/CustomerSDGEPSAnnounceodorfade.pdf this]. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| ::P.S.: Natural gas odorizing is discussed in the "Safety" section of our [[Natural gas]] article. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| == Volatility, essential oils, aromatherapy ==
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| All related in various ways, and I'm looking at all as long as I think that CZ is alive. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 23:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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| == Charter ratified by over two-thirds of the vote ! ==
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| Howard, now you are safe in thinking that CZ is still alive. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 03:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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| == Looking for a better phrase ==
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| What would you consider an appropriate phrase for the technologies and challenges of dissemination of relatively large amounts of aerosol, especially for biological warfare? I've started with "aerosol dispersion", but I don't like the phrase.
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| In BW, and to a lesser extent chemical warfare, one of the first problems is temperature control: don't cook the microorganisms, and some chemical agents, especially the nerve agents, ignite easily. Droplet size and controlling static attraction is another. The space available in munitions and aircraft spray tanks is an issue. Prevailing winds and microclimate need to be considered.
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| [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
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Where Milt lives it is approximately: 15:17