User talk:Milton Beychok

New Draft of the Week - formatting test

Hi Milt, I have been fiddling around with the formatting of the Article of the Week and New Draft of the Week and would be thankful if you would play the guinea pig (in terms of testing the documentation) by changing the formatting for the New Drafts. I will also ask Howard and Sandy, so please do one article at a time. Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen 05:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

As you know by now, I really like what you have done to the AOTW formatting. I can see that you have not yet completely done the same thing for the NDOTW. I would be pleased to help by being a guinea pig but I don't understand what you want me to do. Please spell out in detail what you want me to do ... and I will try it. Milton Beychok 05:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, in principle, it means having a closer look at the documentation of {{Candidate}} and following the steps indicated there, perhaps occasionally peeping into the examples given, searching for occurences of ""onlyinclude" and "includeonly" (in pairs, the first without, the second with leading "/"). It also means surrounding "{{subpages}}" by such a pair of "noinclude" (without and with "/"). Finally, replacing "rpl" in the nomination table by "Candidate" should do the trick. If you have specific problems, please ask again or send me a screenshot. --Daniel Mietchen 05:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

My edits to air preheater were meant as practice, but for you rather than me. With a little help from Caesar, you now have another sample to look at. Please try to apply a similar treatment to the other NDotW candidates. Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen 14:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

minor revision to the Approval process - just the plain name of the Editors should be used

Hi, Milt, according to Matt Innis, on the Metadata template page, where the ToA editors are listed, their names should be shown (written) as plain Milton Byechok, NOT as Milton Beychok. I *know* that many Editors have been doing it this way, and I have Approved articles in which this info appeared like that. But, apparently, this is both wrong *and* may cause some subtle problems in the final version of an Approved article. If you've got any questions about this, though, please address them to Matt, not me -- I don't have a *klew* as to the rights and wrongs of the issue. Thanks. I bring it up only because I'll be Approved the ket. article in a little while. I'll make the appropriate change in that particular article.... Hayford Peirce 20:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

No, problem. Milton Beychok 21:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats, Keto article now approved!

I think I did it right this time, Milt.... Hayford Peirce 22:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

In 15 minutes, not bad! D. Matt Innis 00:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Twenty-three -- I wrote long Summary box notes for Ruth, and made minor notes on my working Instructions. Otherwise it would have been 15. Am now gonna make a couple of minor revisions on the Instructions at the Kops page and links.... Hayford Peirce 00:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Boo-boo

Milt, that boo-boo looks like one of those things you don't want in your approved article. Since you wrote the article and David Volk approved it, if you want me to change it I will, so long as we leave a message on David and Joe's talk pages. If there is a problem, they can let me know and I will change it back. D. Matt Innis 02:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It would be well to fix that boo-boo in the approved article. That way, it doesn't have to wait for a Re-approval. So have at it (including alerting David and Joe). Milton Beychok 02:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. D. Matt Innis 02:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. :-) --Joe(16:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)) Approvals Manager

Discussion about chemical elements moved to Talk:Chemical elements.--Paul Wormer 10:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Page names: uppercase or lowercase?

Hi, this is a minor question, but I'd like to know: In Elements you changed "chemical elements" to "Chemical elements". I thought that, in normal text, the usual lowercase should be used. Did I misunderstand something? Peter Schmitt 09:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Peter. In the sentence, "For elements in chemistry see: Chemical elements", the reader is being referred to a specific article named "Chemical elements" and not to chemical elements in general. In other words, it seems to me that any article being referred to in any disambiguation page or anywhere else should usually be written exactly as the article is named. (I say "usually" because there might be some very special cases somewhere).

As an analogy, in referring to the movie named "Titanic", would you write "For a good movie, see titanic" or would you write "For a good movie, see Titanic" ? Regards, Milton Beychok 16:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I see. It is not rule, but a matter of correct English. Thanks. Peter Schmitt 23:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: But, as I see now, this seems to contradict advise given for "Related articles" pages. Peter Schmitt 11:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Heat

Milton, I wrote Heat and I have the same uneasy feeling about it as about Energy. I find both concepts very difficult to explain and looking back in my memory (and also in textbooks) I understand why: nobody defines the concepts properly, everybody relies on intuition. Anyway, could you do me another favor and go over Heat? Thank you.--Paul Wormer 12:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I haven't looked at your user page, so I don't know what your credentials are. Maybe my suggestion is old news. But here is the way the concept of heat was described to me. Heat is a form of radiation. It is a simple scientific defenition. You can further expand on that through explaining convection, convention, and radiation.

Of course, it's been along time since I've heard someone with real credentials explaining it, so I may have garbled it horribly.Drew R. Smith 13:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Drew, radiation, convection, and conduction (convention?) are three different phenomena; they share the property that they can transport heat.--Paul Wormer 15:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Paul, right now I am trying to finish up another article that I've been working on for about a week. So bear with me, I'll look at Heat when I get a chance. Milton Beychok 16:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Drew, Paul Wormer is a retired professor of theoretical chemistry and he has written literally over 100 articles on chemistry and physics in Citizendium. Its a good idea to look at the user page and user contributions page of people with whom you discuss on CZ. I know it helps me to do that. Milton Beychok 16:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Drew, I second Milton's remarks here -- you really ought to check out the user page of *anyone* before questioning, or even *vaguely* wondering about their credentials -- that's what user pages are for. Hayford Peirce 17:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I wasn't questioning anyones credentials. I was pointing out that I didn't know what his credentials were, so my observation may have been old news to him. I apologize if I offended anyone.Drew R. Smith 04:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I've got a question.

I know this isn't really your area of expertise, but I can't figure out which workgroup it would fall under.

I want to write an article about the native people of hawaii, but I'm not sure what to name it. Would it be Hawaiian, or Hawaiians, Native Hawaiians, or Hawaiian People?

I couldn't find any examples of other articles on similar subjects either, so I wanted to get your opinion on it.Drew R. Smith 04:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)