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==Tele versus Telo==
==Tele versus Telo==
Hi Ro. In the article you edited "tele" saying that it is a word in its own right. We have looked and need a reference for this. I can not come up with any. I have reinserted telo (τηλó) but let me know if you come up with the exact word source and we'll change it to tele.--[[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 01:04, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
Hi Ro. In the article you edited "tele" saying that it is a word in its own right. We have looked and need a reference for this. I can not come up with any. I have reinserted telo (τηλó) but let me know if you come up with the exact word source and we'll change it to tele.--[[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 01:04, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
==Digges story==
The Digges story goes back a long time but mainstream scholarlship rejects the claims, see Fred Watson, ''Stargazer: The Life and Times of the Telescope'' (2006) [http://books.google.com/books?id=2LZZginzib4C&pg=PA40&dq=%22Leonard+Digges%22+reflecting&lr=&num=30&as_brr=0&sig=k_kBqM2Tp23rpD7OsvipFUEuDro online reference p. 40]; and Vincent Ilardi, ''Renaissance Vision from Spectacles to Telescopes'' (2006) [http://books.google.com/books?id=peIL7hVQUmwC&pg=PA213&dq=reflecting+%22Leonard+Digges%22+date:1990-2008&lr=&num=30&as_brr=0&sig=qqaYWcEoCE88x3FSxJSidZmeV9c online refernce p. 213]
A leading historian of astronomy Westfall does NOT mention any telescope in his article on Digges, nor does his biographer Stephem Johnston, who in fact rejects such claims;  there is "no evidence" for it Johnston says.  No one ever says he saw such a telescope; son Thomas mentions an arrangement of lenses used to magnify objects on earth. Thomas who was an astronomer and senior military person never again mentioned the telescope and never used one or tried to get one built, which is astonishing if he indeed had one at one point during his father's lifetime.  The son's statement that the father saw "at seven miles what had been doon at that instant in private places" is too incredible to believe.  The son also claims "ye shall discerne any trifle, or read any letter there lying open, especially if the sunne beames come unto it, as plainly as if you were corporally present, although it be distante from you as farre as eye can discrye" which was quite impossible and strongly suggests he never used or invented a telescope. Of course science is a social interaction and claims of secret discoveries are very heavily discounted by historians. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 03:23, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

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Telescopes as research tools

Zik (2001) notes that before the telescope scientific observation relied on instruments such as Heron's diopter,[1][2] Levi Ben Gershom's cross-staff,[3] Egnatio Danti's torqvetto astronomico, Tycho's quadrant, Galileo's geometric military compass, and Kepler's ecliptic instrument. At the beginning of the 17th century, however, it was unclear how an instrument such as the telescope could be employed to acquire new information and expand knowledge about the world. To exploit the telescope as a device for astronomical observations Galileo had to establish that telescopic images are not optical defects, imperfections in the eye of the observer, or illusions caused by lenses; and develop procedures for systematically handling errors that may occur during observation and measurement and methods of processing data. Galileo made it clear that in order to measure and interpret natural phenomena accurately, a suitable method and instrument would need to be developed. Historians of science explore the linkage established by Galileo among theory, method, and instrument, in his case the telescope. Although the telescope was not invented through science, Galileo used optics to employ a theory-laden instrument for bridging the gulf between picture and scientific language, between drawing and reporting physical facts, and between merely sketching the world and actually describing it.[4]


Tele versus Telo

Hi Ro. In the article you edited "tele" saying that it is a word in its own right. We have looked and need a reference for this. I can not come up with any. I have reinserted telo (τηλó) but let me know if you come up with the exact word source and we'll change it to tele.--Thomas Simmons 01:04, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

Digges story

The Digges story goes back a long time but mainstream scholarlship rejects the claims, see Fred Watson, Stargazer: The Life and Times of the Telescope (2006) online reference p. 40; and Vincent Ilardi, Renaissance Vision from Spectacles to Telescopes (2006) online refernce p. 213

A leading historian of astronomy Westfall does NOT mention any telescope in his article on Digges, nor does his biographer Stephem Johnston, who in fact rejects such claims; there is "no evidence" for it Johnston says. No one ever says he saw such a telescope; son Thomas mentions an arrangement of lenses used to magnify objects on earth. Thomas who was an astronomer and senior military person never again mentioned the telescope and never used one or tried to get one built, which is astonishing if he indeed had one at one point during his father's lifetime. The son's statement that the father saw "at seven miles what had been doon at that instant in private places" is too incredible to believe. The son also claims "ye shall discerne any trifle, or read any letter there lying open, especially if the sunne beames come unto it, as plainly as if you were corporally present, although it be distante from you as farre as eye can discrye" which was quite impossible and strongly suggests he never used or invented a telescope. Of course science is a social interaction and claims of secret discoveries are very heavily discounted by historians. Richard Jensen 03:23, 23 March 2008 (CDT)

  1. Heron of AlexandriaEvangelos Papadopoulos, Department of Mechanical Engineering, National Technical University of Athens. The Dioptra describes a surveying instrument similar to a theodolite. Heron is believed to have been active in the first century A.D.although there is some dispute over exact dates.
  2. Ancient Greek Technology - Measuring Instruments International Federation of Surveyors (2004)
  3. The Cross Staff David P. Stern (2003) Goddard Space Flight Center. Gershom lived in France in the late 13th through early 14th century. He may have invented the simple two-piece instrument that allowed sailors to estimate latitude while at sea
  4. Yaakov Zik, "Science and Instruments: the Telescope as a Scientific Instrument at the Beginning of the Seventeenth Century." Perspectives on Science 2001 9(3): 259-284.