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== Argonne Lab ==
== Argonne Lab ==
This article is shaping up nicely.  Would it be feasible to provide at least a stub to describe a little bit about Argonne Lab, the company that created this design?  Ideally, where the company is, how long they've existed, any other designs they are associated with, how funded, etc. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 08:41, 17 April 2023 (CDT)
This article is shaping up nicely.  Would it be feasible to provide at least a stub to describe a little bit about Argonne Lab, the company that created this design?  Ideally, where the company is, how long they've existed, any other designs they are associated with, how funded, etc. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 08:41, 17 April 2023 (CDT)
:[[User:Roger Blomquist|Roger Blomquist]] is the perfect author for this, recently retired from Argonne where he was in charge of public relations. The book ''Plentiful Energy'' by Till and Chang has an excellent review of the history of the lab, the politics, and this reactor design.<br>
:[[User:Roger Blomquist|Roger Blomquist]] is the perfect author for this, recently retired from Argonne as a Principal Nuclear Engineer. He also served as a nuclear propulsion officer on a US Navy nuclear submarine. The book ''Plentiful Energy'' by Till and Chang has an excellent review of the history of the lab, the politics, and this reactor design.<br>
:The other thing I would like to see in this article is links to information on new designs that are based on the IFR work. I'm thinking especially of the [[Natrium reactor]] Terrapower and Bill Gates for many years were pursuing what appears to be an impossible design, the Travelling Wave Reactor. Now they are focused on Natrium, not surprising given the work that was done by Argonne, proving out all the key features. After reading Till and Chang, it is hard for me to imagine any major improvements. [[User:David MacQuigg|David MacQuigg]] ([[User talk:David MacQuigg|talk]]) 12:12, 18 April 2023 (CDT)
:The other thing I would like to see in this article is links to information on new designs that are based on the IFR work. I'm thinking especially of the [[Natrium reactor]] Terrapower and Bill Gates for many years were pursuing what appears to be an impossible design, the Travelling Wave Reactor. Now they are focused on Natrium, not surprising given the work that was done by Argonne, proving out all the key features. After reading Till and Chang, it is hard for me to imagine any major improvements. [[User:David MacQuigg|David MacQuigg]] ([[User talk:David MacQuigg|talk]]) 12:12, 18 April 2023 (CDT)


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== Readiness of this design ==
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[[User:David MacQuigg|David MacQuigg]] ([[User talk:David MacQuigg|talk]]) 06:04, 9 May 2023 (CDT)


== Readiness of this design ==
== Controversy over waste management ==
The National Academy of Sciences has a report [https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/26630/laying-the-foundation-for-new-and-advanced-nuclear-reactors-in-the-united-states ''Laying the Foundation for New and Advanced Nuclear Reactors in the United States'']. They have concluded that this design needs a lot more work.<br>
"You seem to think there was a magical reactor built in the 70s that will turn all nuclear waste into harmless waste. Bwahaha. There is a reason you have to be intelligent and knowledgeable to discuss these sorts of topics, while you are obviously neither." - comment from a viewer of Cleo Abram's video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzQ3gFRj0Bc ''The Big Lie About Nuclear Waste''] This is why we need numbers and reliable sources. [[User:David MacQuigg|David MacQuigg]] ([[User talk:David MacQuigg|talk]]) 10:49, 14 May 2023 (CDT)
From the Summary:<br>
P.1) demonstrations of advanced nuclear designs are not expected until the late 2020s or early 2030s,<br>
P.2) SFRs and HTGRs will need to address supply chain and high-assay low-enrichment uranium (HALEU) issues and operational reliability, which have impacted those designs in the past.<br>
... for example, reactor core materials and cladding.<br>
From Chapter 2, Finding 2-5) ... More mature concepts, such as ... small modular sodium fast reactors, and ... might be technically ready for demonstration by the end of this decade.<br>

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Argonne Lab

This article is shaping up nicely. Would it be feasible to provide at least a stub to describe a little bit about Argonne Lab, the company that created this design? Ideally, where the company is, how long they've existed, any other designs they are associated with, how funded, etc. Pat Palmer (talk) 08:41, 17 April 2023 (CDT)

Roger Blomquist is the perfect author for this, recently retired from Argonne as a Principal Nuclear Engineer. He also served as a nuclear propulsion officer on a US Navy nuclear submarine. The book Plentiful Energy by Till and Chang has an excellent review of the history of the lab, the politics, and this reactor design.
The other thing I would like to see in this article is links to information on new designs that are based on the IFR work. I'm thinking especially of the Natrium reactor Terrapower and Bill Gates for many years were pursuing what appears to be an impossible design, the Travelling Wave Reactor. Now they are focused on Natrium, not surprising given the work that was done by Argonne, proving out all the key features. After reading Till and Chang, it is hard for me to imagine any major improvements. David MacQuigg (talk) 12:12, 18 April 2023 (CDT)

Readiness of this design

This discussion has been moved to the Debate Guide tab. See ThorCon_nuclear_reactor/Debate_Guide for an example of a fully-developed Debate Guide. David MacQuigg (talk) 06:04, 9 May 2023 (CDT)

Controversy over waste management

"You seem to think there was a magical reactor built in the 70s that will turn all nuclear waste into harmless waste. Bwahaha. There is a reason you have to be intelligent and knowledgeable to discuss these sorts of topics, while you are obviously neither." - comment from a viewer of Cleo Abram's video The Big Lie About Nuclear Waste This is why we need numbers and reliable sources. David MacQuigg (talk) 10:49, 14 May 2023 (CDT)

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