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Hi folks. Edgar's insertion "''and the addition of the three words "and the son" was responsible for the breaking off of the Eastern part of the Catholic church.'' " needs some good solid historical sources to back this up. It might be that there are some articulate scholars who have taken issue with this and would be a good source for such an assertion. Anyone have any support for this?--[[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 10:22, 29 April 2008 (CDT) | Hi folks. Edgar's insertion "''and the addition of the three words "and the son" was responsible for the breaking off of the Eastern part of the Catholic church.'' " needs some good solid historical sources to back this up. It might be that there are some articulate scholars who have taken issue with this and would be a good source for such an assertion. Anyone have any support for this?--[[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 10:22, 29 April 2008 (CDT) | ||
:This question is one of the timeless debates in church history. To be sure, the ''Filioque'' was the central doctrinal difference between the churches in the East and West. Whether you believe that the doctrinal difference was the central cause of the Schism depends on who you ask. I will keep my eyes open for discussions of the point... [[User:Brian P. Long|Brian P. Long]] 21:47, 2 May 2008 (CDT) | :This question is one of the timeless debates in church history. To be sure, the ''Filioque'' was the central doctrinal difference between the churches in the East and West. Whether you believe that the doctrinal difference was the central cause of the Schism depends on who you ask. I will keep my eyes open for discussions of the point... [[User:Brian P. Long|Brian P. Long]] 21:47, 2 May 2008 (CDT) | ||
== Subordinationism = Arianism? == | |||
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I expanded the History section a little bit. I also thought it was a little weird to talk about modern subordinationist Christology as 'Arianism'-- I generally think of Arianism as the historical phenomenon, and modern theology as 'subordinationist theology' or something similar. As always, if there are contemporary/recent theologians who do subscribe to 'Arianism', I am open to correction. Thanks, [[User:Brian P. Long|Brian P. Long]] 22:24, 2 May 2008 (CDT) | |||
Revision as of 21:24, 2 May 2008
Here is the basic article on the Nicaene Creed. It was written from scratch using accessible and credible sources. Thomas Simmons 15:08 14 March 2007 (EPT)
Non-editors cannot nominate articles for approval. See CZ:Approval Process. --Larry Sanger 00:16, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
- I have gotten the roles of author and editor reversed. Larry Sanger has pointed out that as an author, I can not nominate this for approval. I would appreciate it if an editor would take a look at this and help establish approved status. Thomas Simmons 16:40, 16 March 2007 (EPT)
Shouldn't this live at Nicene Creed? I don't usually take Google searches as indicative of very much, but "Nicaene Creed" gets a total of 44 hits, while "Nicene Creed" gets 524,000. The other spelling seems extremely rare, even in credible sources. --Larry Sanger 20:01, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
Both I guess. The church documents and literature I consult for this uses the Nicaene spelling. If it is commonly spelled th other way, the two spellings should be referred to given that a number of sources will index 'Nicaene' but not 'Nicene'. How should this be entered in the opening? Thomas Simmons 16:24 16 March 2007 (EPT)
I'll demonstrate--I'll move the article to Nicene Creed. --Larry Sanger 21:59, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
Source for Ancient Christianity
The standard for years was the Erdman (sp?) collection. It has now been digitialised and is all in public domain. Calvin College in Grand Rapids MI has placed this all on the web here. Memberships is free to everyone. Thomas Simmons 14:41, 2 March, 2007 (EPT)
Sounds great. This can and will happen more and more, with more public domain sources. --Larry Sanger 21:59, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
Schism
Hi folks. Edgar's insertion "and the addition of the three words "and the son" was responsible for the breaking off of the Eastern part of the Catholic church. " needs some good solid historical sources to back this up. It might be that there are some articulate scholars who have taken issue with this and would be a good source for such an assertion. Anyone have any support for this?--Thomas Simmons 10:22, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
- This question is one of the timeless debates in church history. To be sure, the Filioque was the central doctrinal difference between the churches in the East and West. Whether you believe that the doctrinal difference was the central cause of the Schism depends on who you ask. I will keep my eyes open for discussions of the point... Brian P. Long 21:47, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
Subordinationism = Arianism?
Hey-- I expanded the History section a little bit. I also thought it was a little weird to talk about modern subordinationist Christology as 'Arianism'-- I generally think of Arianism as the historical phenomenon, and modern theology as 'subordinationist theology' or something similar. As always, if there are contemporary/recent theologians who do subscribe to 'Arianism', I am open to correction. Thanks, Brian P. Long 22:24, 2 May 2008 (CDT)