CZ Talk:Myths and Facts
What is an "overeducated" person?--Paul Wormer 11:46, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
- From the OED: Brit. /vrdjketd/, /vrdketd/, U.S. /ovrdkedd/ [< OVER- prefix + EDUCATED adj. Compare later OVER-EDUCATE v.]
- Having been educated to a higher academic level than is necessary or desirable.
- 1788 C. T. SMITH Emmeline I. vi. 99 He was not inclined to marry at all; or if he did, it should not be one of those over-educated puppets. 1836 Fraser's Mag. 13 314 Flaunting, fortuneless, over-educated girls. 1899 W. JAMES Talks to Teachers 257 To be imprisoned or shipwrecked or forced into the army would permanently show the good of life to many an over-educated pessimist. 1935 D. L. SAYERS Gaudy Night xvii. 364 How many women care..about anybody's intellectual integrity? Only over-educated women like us. 2000 Providence (Rhode Island) Jrnl.-Bull. (Nexis) 29 Sept. 7B, [He] railed against providing free education for all the returning G.I.s, claiming we would end up with large numbers of overeducated people for whom there were no commensurate jobs.
- --I had to get some use out of my OED subscription. :-) --Larry Sanger 18:57, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
I really appreciate Dr. Sanger's mention of younger contributers & "some active high school students who have done good work". : ) (Chunbum Park 17:35, 17 June 2008 (CDT))
Re reject, hate, and dislike
It doesn't make sense to say "they reject the idea that we ask people to take real-world responsibility for their contributions and that we make a special role for experts." They can't reject those ideas, because those ideas are also facts over which they have no control. They can't control the fact that we do make a special role for experts, but they can hate or dislike it. --Larry Sanger 09:57, 18 June 2008 (CDT)
- Well, they reject them interiorally (if that's a word), and either refuse to join the project because of that rejection, or they criticize the project because of that rejection. It makes perfect sense to me.... Hayford Peirce 11:01, 18 June 2008 (CDT)
Some inspiration for myth debunking
Can be found in the TEDtalks of Hans Rosling, e.g. Debunking third-world myths with the best stats you've ever seen. -- Daniel Mietchen 03:40, 20 June 2008 (CDT)
- And some new targets may be found in a blog post suggesting the creation of a Wikipendium instead of Wikipedia and Citizendium. -- Daniel Mietchen 06:21, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
Conflating politics and epistemology
In the last paragraph, there are links to the Edge essays, using the language of both - radical egalitarians and closet anarchists. I think that this should probably be rephrased. Both are referring to an epistemic egalitarianism or anarchism, but could easily be misread to say that Web 2.0 advocates are politically anarchists or radical egalitarians. I'd say I'm pretty radically egalitarian when it comes to rights, and have mentally flirted with anarchism in the past - but that never made me think that a fourteen-year-old high school kid was, by default, equal in knowledge to an expert. The "online temples" bit is also a bit over-the-top, and sounds like it could quite easily be in an Andrew Keen rant. --Tom Morris 18:15, 6 October 2008 (CDT)