CZ Talk:Topic Choice

Encyclopedia topics

This currently reads

Topics should be plausible as encyclopedia article topics.  This excludes, 
for example, topics expressing personal opinions (e.g., "Why I think 
 God does not exist"), or highly complicated topics that 
 reflect original research (e.g., "Fruit production in France, 
 Turkmenistan, and Australia").

I just noticed this and fear that most of my contributions fall into the latter category (in fact, I mainly use CZ to reflect on original research, and I do not see how experts could be drawn in here if that is "excluded"). I would prefer the second part to read more like

but articles that reflect original research (e.g., "Fruit production
 in France, Turkmenistan, and Australia") 
 are allowed as long as all the information they contain 
 has been peer reviewed.

I am tempted to rephrase this right away but since it's policy, I would like to read others' opinions first. --Daniel Mietchen 09:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

When I look at what is going on here at CZ, I wonder if this does not constitute itself peer review. We are a body of experts; we rigorously debate and revise content; we approved content. That sounds like peer review. If our content is peer reviewed by outside authorities or if we were to accept only outside reviewed knowledge, does that not undermine our claims to being experts? I can not think of one scholarly journal that requires outside peer review for publication. So, I'll revise your suggestion:

but articles that reflect original research (e.g., "Fruit production
 in France, Turkmenistan, and Australia") 
 are allowed as long as all the information they contain 
 has been peer reviewed by the CZ community.

Russell D. Jones 15:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. "Complex articles" can still be neutral, but give a perspective that the detailed articles will not. A Related Articles page, for that matter, is a means of giving perspective. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, insofar as there is an objection to the original research policy lurking here, I wanted to point out that it hasn't been hammered out yet. But I would be willing to argue at length why we should not allow people to publish original research here (if you are interested, see my essay on CZ talk:Original Research Policy), under some notion of "original research," i.e., there is some text that we ought to remove simply because it constitutes research that should have appeared in a journal first, reviewed by the relevant experts. The main reason for this is precisely that we are not set up as experts-only or as a peer reviewing organization. You can argue all you like that we have elements of peer review (see this old article), but that doesn't imply that those elements really can adequately replace real peer review. To draw that conclusion, we need some more, solid argumentation, and to face some serious objections.

Insofar as the objection is only to this rule's restriction on "highly complicated topics," the idea is that there are in principle limitless numbers of ad hoc topics that are ultimately just concatenation of better-known topics. Pick any three philosophers at random, and you could probably interestingly compare their ethical theories. Journals publish articles like that all the time, but that doesn't mean we should countenance such ad hoc topics here. I'm hoping this makes sense, but perhaps it doesn't...

I'd be happy to look over any article that anyone wants to submit for examination as unduly "original research" or "concatenated," or both... --Larry Sanger 18:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd rephrase; It certainly doesn't make a good rule, I don't see how it would be possible to reduce it to objective criteria - what's highly complicated to one is not to another. And I suspect that an article on Fruit production in France, Turkmenistan, and Australia" would be fascinating; I'm almost temted to have a go. I think a good rule might be lets get rid of rules we don't need or use. Gareth Leng 18:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)